tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post5965381248868609352..comments2023-10-18T06:45:22.402-05:00Comments on BRASS League: Revisiting DawsonOther Sidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post-30771026394570491592008-01-08T16:22:00.000-06:002008-01-08T16:22:00.000-06:00I must say I'm a borderline Dawson supporter ... b...I must say I'm a borderline Dawson supporter ... but a supporter nonetheless. I agree that his career OBA hurts his chances. But, it's really not that much lower than the league average for that period (I'll see if I can find those numbers).<BR/><BR/>His home/road numbers his MVP may have been skewed, but I don't worry too much since these numbers were fairly balanced throughout his career. He just had a fluke year.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if the Colorado effect will play games with future Rockie HOF candidates, like one of my personal favorite players, Larry Walker (I would not vote for him, though).Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post-2795760052145112622008-01-08T12:51:00.000-06:002008-01-08T12:51:00.000-06:00Oh, and no prob on the FJM recommendation. The be...Oh, and no prob on the FJM recommendation. The best part is generally Joe-Chats, because there are a few mispellings and word-usages that Joe always makes, and FJM readers always attempt to bait him into his routine. One thing to look for is the mispelled word "cocetrate." Any use of the word "consistent" is also applauded. See:<BR/><BR/><I><B>Jim (NYC): Do you feel it will be tough for the Rockies to concetrate</B><BR/><BR/>KT: Thank you, Jim.<BR/><BR/><B>next year after the run they had? They weren't exactly consistent</B><BR/><BR/>And again.<BR/><BR/><B>this season...running hot and cold.<BR/><BR/>Joe Morgan: Well, if you're asking if I think they'll win the division next year, I say no. Your assessment is right on the mark. No one even noticed them going into the last month of the season. Then all of a sudden they got hot. They were under .500. But they got hot and won the wild card. But I do think they were hurt by the layoff. But even without the layoff, they were not nearly as good a team as Boston.</B><BR/><BR/>I'm no 2nd grade-level expository writing instructor, but I think that the last three sentences are poorly composed. But can you figure out what I mean? But I bet you can, but if you look hard. But what if you can't? But I bet you can.</I><BR/><BR/>http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/11/joe-is-but-head.htmlPaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post-18675497749871118122008-01-08T12:38:00.000-06:002008-01-08T12:38:00.000-06:00The JAWS system also doesn't care for Dawson, alth...The JAWS system also doesn't care for Dawson, although it likes him more than Rice. From Jay JAffe:<BR/><BR/>Dawson EqA BRAR BRAA FRAA WARP3 Peak JAWS<BR/> .285 662 325 -26 105.0 57.5 81.3<BR/><BR/><I>Like Rice, Andre Dawson has garnered significant support from the BBWAA voters, though he saw his percentage drop from 61.0 percent to 56.7 percent last year--not terribly surprising given the presence of first-ballot Hall of Famers Ripken and Gwynn. In his heyday, Dawson brought to the table an exceptional combination of power and speed. As an Expo, he was a Gold Glove center fielder who shifted to right after the Olympic Stadium turf took its toll on his knees. He left as a free agent following the 1986 season, and made a huge splash in his first year with the Cubs, hitting 49 homers, driving in 137 runs, and winning dubious MVP honors--he had just 7.3 WARP, which ranked 24th in the league and was only his sixth-best season--while playing for a last-place club, the first player to win the MVP from the basement. His stats that year were grossly inflated by Wrigley Field (.332/.373/.668 at home vs. .246/.288/.480 away), but for his career, the park effects were more even: .281/.330/.481 with 207 HR at home, .278/.316/.483 with 231 HR on the road. His Gold Gloves are somewhat overstated; the FRAA numbers show him a combined 15 runs below average in two of those seasons, but that's about par for the course. The biggest problem with Dawson's case is his lifetime .323 OBP, nine points below the park-adjusted league average for his career; he topped .350 just three times, while scraping the .300 range for too many years. That particularly depresses the value of his peak, which is tied for a rather unimpressive 250th all-time, though seven Hall of Famers--Dave Bancroft, Willie Stargell, Earl Averill, Hugh Duffy, Pie Traynor, Orlando Cepeda, and Luis Aparicio--are within half a win of his total. He's a better choice than Rice, but he still comes up short.</I><BR/><BR/>(Subscription Required)<BR/><BR/>http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7007PaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post-41343259539348314272008-01-08T12:36:00.000-06:002008-01-08T12:36:00.000-06:00The site is excellent. I will add it to my list, ...The site is excellent. I will add it to my list, just hadn't gotten around to it. Thx, Paul.Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20947972.post-3347335154724199342008-01-08T12:15:00.000-06:002008-01-08T12:15:00.000-06:00Ken (and I) don't disparriage fielding per se, we ...Ken (and I) don't disparriage fielding per se, we disparriage having awards that are voted on by fairly stupid baseball writers (Gold Glove, MVP) be criteria for an award that is voted on by fairly stupid baseball writers (Hall of Fame induction). <BR/><BR/>I would call that Meta-Stupidity.<BR/><BR/>Defense is super important, but the best defenders rarely win Gold Gloves, and the baseball writers votes (and even scouting) is often at odds with more advanced measures (see your post about Corey Hart v. Jeff Francoer.)<BR/><BR/>I'm always shocked when I find a baseball fan that's not a regular reader of FJM. For a good intro, read the glossary. <BR/><BR/>http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2005/04/glossary-of-terms.htmlPaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.com